In a recent episode from the FLAGRANT podcast, Chamath Palihapitiya spoke to Andrew Schulz about Trump’s tariff plan and how it makes sense for the economy and the American people.
Palihapitiya is a Canadian-American venture capitalist and entrepreneur who was an executive at Facebook. People compare him to Warren Buffett after a series of successful bets in 2019 and 2020. In 2013, Chamath held 5% of all circulating Bitcoin.
How did China become this industrial conglomerate country?
Palihapitiya said that in the year 2000, there was a push for capitalism. The purpose of this move was to eradicate any chance of a world war. Also, capitalism will push democracy, making countries like China more predictable. But how to make China a capitalist country?
The first step was to let China join the World Trade Organization (WTO), and this move allowed American corporations to arbitrage at a massive scale. Manufacturing goods in the States costs more than making them in China, and big corporations took advantage of that.
Chamath gave an example, saying that companies like Nike, after the year 2000, started manufacturing goods in China. He added, “Take that one narrow example and apply it across every industry you can imagine, from shoes to iPhones and everything in between.”
China, along with big corporations, has been benefiting from this arrangement for the last 25 years. The Chinese economy has grown massively. In 2000, China’s GDP was standing at $1.21T, and in 2024, it reached $18.685T. That’s a GDP growth of 1,444%.
America is the world’s biggest consumer—and others are cashing in
Chamath continued talking about how America is the biggest consumer in the world. He said:
“We have the largest economy. The way our economy works is we are all buying shit, all kinds of shit, all manner of it.”
In 2023, total consumer spending in the US was $18.8T. China followed with about $7T, which is around 37% of what Americans spent in the same year. Consumer spending drops significantly after that, with Germany at $2.3T, India at $2.2T, and the United Kingdom at $2.1T.
Chamath emphasized that other countries want to take advantage of Americans because they know they’re the biggest consumers in the world.
Before Trump took office, other countries taxed American goods. The EU applies a 10% tariff on American cars. This has been ongoing since the early 1990s. On the other hand, the US applied only a 2.5% tariff on European cars.
In 2011, China imposed two tariffs on US car imports that range from 2% to 21%. China was accused of trade protectionism, but it responded by saying that the tariffs are “normal trade remedies.”
Chamath stated that other countries are exploiting a policy that allows them to make money off the US in two ways. Those countries make money by manufacturing goods and sending them to the US, where Americans buy them. Then they make more money by imposing high tariffs on US products.
Trump wants to pay US’s debt and make it self-sufficient
The US national debt increased from $395B in 1924 to $35.46T in 2024. The total debt has ballooned to trillions of dollars because of budget deficits and higher spending. In 2024, the US government’s revenue was $4.92T, but it spent $6.75T. That created a deficit of $1.83T.
Chamath stated that “Trump is much more about MAGA, which is like working class, middle class.” By having tariffs as a major source of revenue, foreign companies will move production to the US which in return will create new jobs.
Trump is also tackling the debt by making the government more efficient through DOGE, which has saved $150B. Moreover, he wants to remove income tax for anyone making $150,000 annually or less.
Chamath stated that the person who controls AI and has the best military will win. But the question is, is Trump going to help the working class or replace them with AI?
This articles is written by : Nermeen Nabil Khear Abdelmalak
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